Accounts by Obama 2008 campaign conflict with those of former Obama college roommate and current U.S. Ambassador to Belize Vinai Thummalapally

By Alan Jones | June 13, 2015

United States Post Office Makiki Station in Honolulu, Hawaii
United States Post Office Makiki Station in Honolulu, Hawaii

STORY UPDATE JUNE 15, 2015: Barack Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign manager Bill Burton claims that Obama visited Hyderabad, India, according to a November 3, 2008 report by CNS News and an April 10, 2008 report by the New York Times.

Obama had visited Pakistan for “about three weeks” in 1981, after visiting his mother in Indonesia. He had traveled with a college friend whose family lived in Karachi. He had also visited Hyderabad in India, Burton said. – CNS News, November 3, 2008

According to his campaign staff, Mr. Obama visited Pakistan in 1981, on the way back from Indonesia, where his mother and half-sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng, were living. He spent “about three weeks” there, Mr. Obama’s press secretary, Bill Burton, said, staying in Karachi with the family of a college friend, Mohammed Hasan Chandoo, but also traveling to Hyderabad, in India. – New York Times, April 10, 2008

It remains unclear if Obama actually visited Hyderabad, India, as reported by the New York Times, or instead possibly visited Hyderabad, Pakistan. Obama campaign officials have on multiple occasions made inaccurate statements to reporters about Barack Obama’s early years.

(1776 Channel) Close examination of the timeline of Barack Obama’s life while he was enrolled as a student at Occidental College in southern California has revealed what appear to be conflicting accounts of the future President’s whereabouts during the summer of 1980.

Barack Obama attended Occidental College during the 1979-1980 and 1980-1981 academic years.

During 1980 summer recess from the private liberal arts college, nestled in the Eagle Rock neighborhood of northeast Los Angeles, eighteen year old Barack Obama allegedly reported to United States Post Office Makiki Station in Honolulu, Hawaii on July 29, 1980 and registered for selective service.

The alleged date and location of President Obama’s draft registration are recorded on a copy of Obama’s “SSS Form 1” registration card, released in 2008 by the Selective Service System to retired ICE Agent Stephen Coffman, under the Freedom of Information Act.

The Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office (ARIZ) Cold Case Posse now maintains that the copy sent to Mr. Coffman is a forgery, investigators announced during a March 1, 2012 press conference in Phoenix.

A spokesperson from Immigration and Customs Enforcement, an agency of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, confirmed to Communities @WashingtonTimes.com that Stephen Coffman retired from ICE in June, 2007.
During the run-up to his election, The Obama 2008 campaign responded to a Chicago Sun-Times reporter’s inquiries about then Senator Obama’s job history during his school years, and the financing of his college education. According to a July 20th, 2008 Sun-Times article, the campaign “passed on” details indicating that Obama returned home to Hawaii following his freshman year at Occidental, spending the summer of 1980 in Honolulu, where he worked at least two jobs during his stay.

The timeline provide by the Obama 2008 Campaign is not, however, the only on-the-record account of Obama’s whereabouts during the summer of 1980.

A former California State University post-graduate business student from Hyderabad, India, along with his future wife, the former Barbara Nichols-Roy, an Occidental undergraduate student also from India, met the future President when the three students where at the Occidental College library in late 1979 or early 1980.

The former CSU student, named Vinai K. Thummalapally, eventually naturalized as a U.S. citizen, became a prolific Obama campaign bundler, and was in 2009 appointed U.S. Ambassador to the small Central American nation of Belize. Thummalapally is the first Indian-American to be awarded a U.S. State Department Ambassador post.

Ambassador Vinai K. Thummalapally reportedly has stated that he was roommates with Obama during the summer of 1980. According to a 2008 Associated Press report published several months prior to the Sun-Times’s chronicle of Obama’s Hawaii summer jobs, Thummalapally “lived with Obama the summer of 1980”.

USA Today also reported on June 3, 2008, in an article by AP National writer Sharon Cohen, that

After high school, Obama attended Occidental College in Los Angeles and had a varied group of friends, including Vinai Thummalapally, a native of India. They became roommates in the summer of 1980 when Obama, still a teen, was already plotting his life’s journey.
“I want to get into public service,” he recalls Obama saying. “I want to write and help people who are disadvantaged.” –USA Today, June 3, 2008

The following summer, 1981, Obama would visit Thummalapally’s home town of Hyderabad, India, during an overseas trip that also ventured into Pakistan, where he reportedly spent three weeks in Karachi. It is not clear whether Thummalapally accompanied Obama during any segment of the trip to India and Pakistan.

During his time in Pakistan, Obama is said to have stayed with another former Occidental student, freshman roommate Muhammad Hasan Chandoo.

He also is reported to have visited his mother Stanly Ann Dunham and half-sister Maya Soetoro in Indonesia as well as his father Barack Obama Sr. in Kenya during the multination adventure. It is not clear who funded the overseas trip.

Former U.S. Navy officer and NSA contractor Wayne Madsen has suggested that Dunham and her husband, Indonesian Army employee Lolo Soetoro, may have been involved in CIA activities in Indonesia.

Obama and Thummalapally: Roommates “most part of the summer”, “Ran together daily” in Los Angeles

Obama reportedly met Barbara Nichols-Roy and Vinai Thummalapally at the Occidental College library. A June 13th, 2009 wire report by The Indo-Asian News Service (IANS), states that Thummaloapally and his future wife Barbara “first met Obama in 1980 in the (Occidental) college library and became close friends, even attending the future president’s wedding.”

Vinnai Thummaloapally was present when Obama announced his candidacy in an Illinois speech, and was named to Obama’s national finance committee during the 2008 campaign, and. Mr. and Mrs. Thummaloapally would go on to become “bundlers” for the Obama campaign, and were invited to attend his inauguration. Barbara became a full time worker for the campaign, according to the Sikkim Observer.

Ambassador Thummaloapally is also connected to the shady, secretly-negotiated ‘Project Pelican’ deal between UAE’s Gulftainer and Port Canaveral. Ambassador Thummaloapally attended the grand opening ceremony yesterday at Gulftainer’s first U.S. terminal according to a report from Space Coast Daily.

As a political backer who raised more than $ 100,000 for the Obama campaign, Thummalapally was one of the few desi “bundlers” (big time political donors) in the Obama camp at a time when most Indian moneybags were gravitating towards Hillary Clinton…In brief interviews during and after the presidential campaign, the Thummalapallys recalled to the local media how Barack Obama was a cool guy who drank a few beers, smoked a lot, partied till the wee hours of the morning, but would still crank out a paper due later in the day and get brilliant grades. “It was so typical that he could just go and type out this amazing paper and do well after having partied all night, having drinks, beer or whatever we do at college,” Barbara Thummalapally said in one interview. “He will always be Barry to us…We can’t believe that we’ll be saying ‘Mr. President.'”…As a political backer who raised more than $ 100,000 for the Obama campaign, Thummalapally was one of the few desi “bundlers” (big time political donors) in the Obama camp at a time when most Indian moneybags were gravitating towards Hillary Clinton. – Times of India, June 12, 2009

“Vinai and I met Barack about a month after we had both met. We were part of the same group, especially during my last year at Oxy’s when Vinai and a friend roomed right above Barack and another close friend in an apartment complex near our college” – http://sikkimhermonites.org/main/global-news.htm (Website now Defunct)

According to an Associated Press article written by Adam Goldman and Robert Tanner, which appeared in the Seattle Times on May 15, 2008, two months earlier than the Chicago Sun-Times piece, Vinai Thummalapally knew Obama at Occidental College in Los Angeles, California, and lived with him during the summer of 1980. It is not clear whether or not Thummalapally was actually a student at Occidental. According to his State Department biography, Thummalapally studied at California State University, receiving B.S. in 1974 and completing post graduate studies there in 1980. It is not clear whether Thummalapally also studied later at Occidental, which would have been years after the completion of his B.S. at CSU.

“Thummalapally lived with Obama the summer of 1980. The two ran together daily, three miles in the early morning, often chatting about their dreams. Thummalapally wanted to start a business back home; Obama talked about helping people. ” – Politico

The same day, May 15th, 2008 USAToday also published the Goldman/Tanner AP article accounting Obama’s summer of 1980 whereabouts.

7 News Belize also reported on Obama’s “college buddy” Thummalapally following his appointment to the position of United States Ambassador to Belize.

Obama: “I had to sign up for Selective Services when I graduated from high school”

Barack Obama graduated from Panahou High School, Hawaii in 1979. During a television interview and viewer question-and-answer session with Senator Obama, moderated by George Stephanopoulos on ABC on September 7, 2008, a question from a viewer named Brenda, in Marietta, Georgia, was posed to the candidate by Stephanopoulos:

Viewer Question: “Did you ever consider joining the armed forces to protect and serve our country? If not, why?”

Obama: “You know I actually did.”

Stephanopoulas: “When?”

Obama: “You know, I had to sign up for Selective Services (sic) when I graduated from high school, and I was growing up in Hawaii, and I had friends whose parents were in the military. There were a lot of army, military bases there. And I actually always thought of the military as some, an enobling (sic), and you know, honorable, option. But keep in mind that when I graduated in 1979, the Vietnam War had come to an end. We weren’t engaged in an active military conflict at that point.

Selective Service was reactivated by Jimmy Carter in July of 1980, over a year after Obama’s 1979 high school graduation date. At the time of his graduation, neither Obama, who was only 17 at the time, nor any of his high school classmates, would have been required to register for the still inactive Selective Service program. The Selective Service registration requirement was reinstituted the following year, in 1980.

According to National Archive records, under Proclamation 4771, which was signed by President Jimmy Carter on July 2nd, 1980, men born in 1961 were to present themselves for registration between Monday July 28, 1980 and Saturday August 2nd, 1980.

Barack Obama’s Selective Service Registration “SSS Form 1” card is stamped “Honolulu HI July 29th, 80”. The numbers 1 and 9 are missing from the year on the stamp. The “No ID” box was checked, which suggests that Obama possibly did not bring any identification with him when registering.

Barack Obama's alleged selective service registration card.
Barack Obama’s alleged selective service registration card.

Summer 1980: California, Hawaii, or both?

Based on Selective Service records, Obama appears to have registered in person at a post office in Hawaii in August of 1980. That timeline dovetails with information provided to the Chicago Sun-Times by the Obama campaign in 2008:.

Lynn Sweet of the Chicago Sun-Times wrote in an article dated July 20, 2008:

“Here’s what we know for the first time, with information passed on from the Obama campaign in response to my inquiries: As a college student at Occidental in Southern California, Obama returned home to Hawaii the summer after freshman year to sell island trinkets in a gift shop. Obama also had a summertime job at a deli counter in Hawaii — making sandwiches.” Obama’s freshman year at Occidental College was the 1979-80 academic year. – Chicago Sun-Times via Democratic Underground

According to a Politifact compendium of Obama’s lifetime job history, the names of the deli and gift shop are “unknown”:

Date unknown — deli counter clerk, business name unknown — Honolulu — Obama had a summer job at a deli counter in Hawaii, making sandwiches, his spokesman said during the presidential campaign.

1980 — gift shop sales clerk, business name unknown — Honolulu — Obama worked at a gift shop in Hawaii selling island souvenirs the summer after his freshman year at Occidental College in California.

U.S. Ambassador to Belize Vinai Th‎ummalapally
U.S. Ambassador to Belize Vinai Th‎ummalapally

However, the Obama Campaign story appears to conflict with accounts given by Vinai Thummalapally, the current U.S. Ambassador to Belize.

Although the Times of India stated that Obama and Thummaloapally were roommates during the summer of 1979, that information appears to be erroneous, considering that Obama had just graduated from high school and not yet enrolled at Occidental.

Obama reportedly lived in Haines Residence Hall at Occidental in 1979. The Seattle Times reported that Obama had two roommates his freshman year: Paul Carpenter, and Imad Husain, a Pakistani, who the 2008 article described as a banker in Boston. Haines features single, double and triple rooms, so it is unclear if Obama lived with Carpenter and Husain at the same time or switched roommates sometime during the 1979-1980 academic year. Obama’s dorm room was in the basement of Haines. Off campus students often congregated during the day around the couch in the basement of Haines, next to Obama’s room. More information about Obama’s college living arrangements can be found from a now-scrubbed article from the Greensboro Record, archived at Before It’s News.

According to a February 9, 2008 New York Times profile of Obama’s college years, which included the recollections of John Boyer, a former student who lived across the hall from Obama,

“In his freshman year at Occidental, Mr. Obama and his dormitory mates would gather around a couch in the hallway of their floor while stereos blasted songs by bands like the Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, the B-52’s and the Flying Lizards. The conversations revolved around topics like the Soviet Union’s invasion of Afghanistan, President Jimmy Carter’s proposed revival of draft registration and the energy crisis.” – New York Times, February 9, 2008

Clearly, Obama could not have registered for the draft immediately following his graduation from Panahou High School, Hawaii in 1979, as he suggested during his interview with George Stephanopoulas. However, by the time he was enrolled in his freshman year at Occidental, the national conversation about reactivating selective service registration would have been underway. If the account provided by the New York Times is accurate, Obama was aware that a reactivation of Selective Service in the future was indeed a possibility.

According to an account (published in American Thinker) by form Occidental student and political scientist John Drew, PhD, in December of 1980, over Christmas break, Obama spoke of Marxisim and “when the revolution comes”. “There’s going to be a revolution,” Obama said, according to Drew. (emphasis added)

Yet only four months earlier he reportedly registered for Selective Service in Hawaii, while the Cold War was still front and center to U.S. foreign policy and military objectives.

If Obama was roommates with Thummalapally during the summer of 1980, Obama probably moved off campus at the end of the academic year, which would have been early summer of 1980.

The Times Of India reports that Thummalapally lived with Obama for “most part of the summer in 1980”. Did Obama fly back to Honolulu to register for Selective Service? If he spent “most part” of the summer in L.A., and not at a gift shop in Hawaii, would he have returned to Hawaii for just a couple of weeks, and gotten a job or even less probably, two jobs, and registered for Selective Service, before quickly returning to Occidental to start fall classes?

The Mysterious Beach Photo

According to his State Department biography, Vinai Thummalapally received his B.S. in Mechanical Engineering from California State University in 1977 and completed post graduate Business Administration courses at California State University in 1980.

According to an interview in the Colorado Springs Gazette, Barbara and Vinai Thummalapally met Obama in 1979.

“She has pictures of her on the beach with Obama when they met up in Hawaii on a summer break from college.” –Colorado Springs Gazette

Just one of the latest U.S. ambassadors to be appointed despite having no state department experience

Ambassador Thummalapally is hardly the first campaign bundler to be awarded an Ambassadorship, despite having zero State Department experience

Obama also reportedly lived off campus his sophomore year (1980-81) with Hasan Shandu. According to Dr. John C. Drew, during an audio interview by Scott Baker and Liz Stephans of the B-Cast.

  • Rob Ca

    There are also accounts of Obama playing basketball and body surfing while at Occidental….
    I think the referenced time for those activities was during the summer of 1980 also…
    Obama gave his first anti -Apartheid speech during the Fall of 1980 if I remember correctly….
    Also Maya is quoted as saying that Obama came back to Hawaii for Christmas with no mention of him returning in July to register for the Selective Service….

    So there was little to less time for him to have jetted back to Hawaii.

  • smrstrauss

    There is a small but important point about Obama’s selective service card that birther sites did not tell you. A very small point—but still important. What do you suppose that small point is?

    Answer: The small point is that Obama did not post his selective service card, nor did he have anyone else post it for him. A BIRTHER posted it.

    Think about that for a moment. Since a birther posted it, who had the means, motive and OPPORTUNITY to forge it or to take the real selective service card and fool around with it before posting it to make it look forged? Answer: Not Obama since he did not have it posted.

    Then who? Answer, the birther who posted it of course. IF the Selective Service card is forged, only the birther could have done it.

    More importantly, why do you suppose birther sites did not tell you that Obama did not post his birth certificate and so if it were forged it could not be him who forged it? What do you suppose the motive was for not telling you that small fact?

    • eddiebuck

      Might be because he says we posted it. So does that mean we,”including Obama” forged it?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA0FBbgRZyQ

      • smrstrauss

        No. It means that the birther who posted it either forged the whole thing or was able to get Obama’s real selective service card and fooled around with it before posting it. Obama did not release it or publish it or post it—so he could not have forged it.

        • eddiebuck

          And I guess the birther somehow made Obama say “We Posted It”? Dream on,dream on.lol

          • smrstrauss

            However, Obama did NOT say: “We posted it.”

            YOU dream on.

  • Billy Rawle

    When the school year ends they close the dorms – he had to leave. In Hawaii he could work and live rent free.

  • Tillee

    If he was going to work at a deli and a gift shop, why not save the plane ticket and stay in L.A.? Did he need to go back to see Stanley and Toots? Or did he miss the Choom gang? The former doesn’t jive with his hip, Marxist image. The latter is just sad — weren’t there any old, white homos in L.A. he could blow for coke? Maybe he longed to spend more time with FMD…you know, smell his whisky breath one more time.

    • Billy Rawle

      Never been to college, Tillee?

      When the school year ends they close the dorms – he had to leave. In Hawaii he could work and live rent free.

      • Tillee

        Except he didn’t live in the dorms. Did you forget about the photo of him snuggled up next to Chandoo on the couch of their apartment?

        • Billy Rawle

          Wrong college. That was taken in 1981 at Columbia.

          • Tillee

            Sorry, it’s hard to keep up with the composite characters and all.

    • HistorianDude

      Which (or both) have you never been to? Hawaii or LA?

      • Tillee

        Here’s where I’ve been: 46 of the 50 states, Canada, Mexico, Nicaragua, Curaçao, Dominique, Aruba, St. Thomas, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, France, Belgium, Germany, Poland, Senegal, The Gambia, Guinea-Bissau, Cape Verde, Chad, Mali, Kenya, Malawi, Ethiopia, Zambia, Yemen, Iraq, Pakistan, Thailand, Indonesia, Libya, Malta, Central African Republic, and Cameroon…but I’ve never been to Hawaii. What was your point?

  • mainemagpie

    Thummalapally and Obama never shared an apartment, they were never room mates. Obama moved into the apartment Thummalapally shared with Hasan Chandoo. Thummalapally moved to another apartment in the complex in 1980 when his cousin Girish Reddy came to visit for the summer. The address of this apartment was 253 E Glenarm, Pasadena. Obama B is listed in the Pasadena telephone directory under this address with the phone number 441 2564. Alan Jones, if you can use your investigative abilities to research the history of this apartment building and maybe find out what date Obama moved in we could answer the question you pose in the title of this article.

  • mainemagpie

    Thummalapally was never enrolled at Occidental.

  • mainemagpie

    Obama did not visit Hyderabad, India….on this alleged trip, he visited Hyderabad, Pakistan in the Sindh Province which is less than 100mi from Karachi, Pakistan and also in the Sindh Province.

    • HistorianDude

      Alan Jones is quite possibly the worst investigator ever. Anyone who cannot tell the difference between India and Pakistan is worse than merely sloppy.

  • SirWilhelm

    That the “no ID” box is checked, is the clue as to why the card is forged. If he was not born in Hawaii, or anywhere else in the US, he could not get ID because he had no birth certificate. I doubt, as with the online birth certificate, that he forged it himself, but, since it became the law to register, he had to get it forged somehow. So soon after the end of the Viet Nam war, with it’s peace movement, forging a SS card would not have seemed such a big deal, and it wasn’t until he ran for President. Now, it’s just another inconvenient piece of evidence that had to be covered up, and ignored by the media, to allow the Usurper to continue, and complete, his reign.

    • Billy Rawle

      Selective Service said on three separate occasions in 2008 that he registered in 1980.

      Why would the SS under President Bush do that?

      If the card is forged why didn’t the forger check mark the “no ID” box?

      He didn’t have a driver’s license until 1986.

      • mainemagpie

        “He didn’t have a driver’s license until 1986”
        What makes you say that?…..He drove in Hawaii to meet with FMD and the Choom Gang had a VW Bus available to them. He claimed his grandfather bought him a used red Fiat in Los Angeles, in which the future Barbara Thummalapally claimed he drove her to campus regularly from the Pasadena apartment. That was in 1979/1980 so he would have had a driver’s license at that time.

        • Billy Rawle

          I was basing that on what I believed Susan Daniels said. But I might have misinterpreted what she said so I e-mailed her to get a clarification.

      • SirWilhelm

        Because they lie for their boss, as all loyal Leftsts do. They refused to investigate the charges, and the evidence, that the Selective Service card the investigators had, was a forgery. If anyone else was accused of forging a Selective Service card, they would have investigated them, but Obama gets a pass on his whole history, including the records he paid millions to seal away.

        He didn’t have any other form of ID either, including a birth certificate, because he wasn’t born in Hawaii, or anywhere else in the US, which is why he used a Connecticut SS# on his 2009 income tax return he inadvertently posted online, and why he came up with a forged birth certificate in response to Trump’s demands he produce one.

        “The only people that don’t want to disclose the truth, are people with something to hide.”-Barack Hussein Obama.

        • Billy Rawle

          George Bush is a leftist? Or are you talking about the Bush appointed head of the Selective Service William Chatfield?

          • SirWilhelm

            TARP is the evidence that Bush leaned to the Left.

  • rentslave

    I worked with postmarks for 34 years,but never saw one with only two digits until I saw one here.

  • rentslave

    Is the man in the White House today the same person who was at Occidental?

    • enoughlies

      And that is the. BIG ?

  • Billy Rawle

    Why do you assume the beach photo is from 1980?

    • mainemagpie

      The article in which then Barbara Thummalapally claims to have a beach photo with Barry states quote “She has pictures of her on the beach with Obama when they met up in Hawaii on a summer break from college.”…….Barbara Nichols-Roy attended Occidental from 1977 and graduated in June 1981….she married Vinai K Thummalapally on Oct 12, 1981 and attended no further College from which she could have had a “summer break”. Since Barry himself left Occidental in June 1981 without graduating……Summer 1980 is the most logical time frame.

      • Billy Rawle

        Does the article specifically say on summer break from Occidental? Or that it was her summer break? Not Obama’s or Vinai’s?

  • Billy Rawle

    When was the last day of classes for the Spring Quarter in 1980? In Spring 2016 it will be the first of May. So he goes to Hawaii for several months and returns to LA in early August and goes running every day with his roommate. All within the summer of 1980.

    • The_Magic_M

      Don’t confuse the guy with facts, he’s so proud of his “story” full of holes and allegations. 🙂

  • Shotgun_Joe

    Is July 29, 1980, the day that Obama (aka) Soetoro allegedly signed up with the Selective Service (SS), 30 days within his 18th birthday of August 4, 1961, per the SS requirement?
    I guess Proclamation 4771 is his diaper, but the Post Mark is the dead-ringer fraud.

    • Billy Rawle

      The draft and registration did not exist when President Obama turned 18 so he couldn’t register for the Selective Service. Proclamation 4771 required him to register at the end of July, 1980

      1-103. Persons born in calendar year 1961 shall present themselves for registration on any of the six days beginning Monday, July 28, 1980.

      • enoughlies

        Not true..it did exist when he turned 18

        Patriot class …you need to read this…and GET IT STOPPED…STAND UP AMERICA TO OBAMA’s TRANSFORMATION

        Building a country within a country…seedlings, pushing the citizenry into the shadows…receiving communities…

        Obama and DHS Fully Compromised our Security | The DENISE SIMON EXPERIENCE Blog

        http://founderscode.com/obama-and-dhs-fully-compromised-our-security/admin/

        • Billy Rawle

          Not according to history.

          “The last draft call was on December 7, 1972, and the authority to induct expired on June 30, 1973. The date of the last drawing for the lottery was on March 12, 1975. Registration with the Selective Service System was suspended on April 1, 1975, and registrant processing was suspended on January 27, 1976.”

          “Registration was resumed in July 1980 for men born in 1960 and later, and is in effect to this present time. Men are required to register within 30 days of their 18th birthday.”

          https://www.sss.gov/lotter1.htm

          Maybe in your fantasy world they didn’t end the draft and registration and that’s what is confusing you.